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Logs for Better Clouds - Part 5: Daisy Chaining Clouds
How transitive is Trust?

Daisy Chaining Clouds, how transitive is Trust?

So we talked about some of the challenges - and hence opportunities - faced by Cloud Providers.  Last time we talked about Trust, and how important Trust is for business relationships.

Trust is already difficult in pretty straightforward environments, but in the context of Clouds, it can become very fuzzy...   Read on.

Clouds: Providers, Clients, Partners and Competitors... all at the same time!

We could imagine a world where there are so many cloud providers, so many interconnections between them and so many trust relationships that end-client duties are performed by different cloud providers based on the time of the day, the type and complexity of the task or any other criteria.

This means that a Cloud Provider can be both provider and client.

We could even envision that some Cloud Providers can be both partners as well as competitors. In fact, it is not uncommon for business entities to collaborate on some projects and compete on others. So are these Cloud Providers friendly partners or are they enemies?

In the following diagram, Client A1 uses B1 and B2 as a SaaS Software as a Service provider.  B1 uses C1 and C2 as PaaS Platform as a Service provider. And C1 uses D1 and D2 as IaaS Infrastructure as a Service provider.

Client A1 and Client A2 are competitors.  Cloud Providers B1 and C2 also are competitors, although C2 provides service to B1.

How would it be possible for all of these entities to collaborate despite requirements for secrecy in a climate of suspicion?


Figure 4 - The layered structure of subcontracting within Cloud Providers.

Inter-Layer Relationship

In the figure below we can see a logical diagram of a Cloud Provider (Layer N) and its interactions to neighboring layers, layers N-1 and N+1.


Figure 5 - High-level view on the operations of a Cloud Provider

At any layer within this hierarchical view, a provider (Layer N) accepts requests for a specific service to be rendered, either from an end-client or from another Cloud Provider.

The Layer N uses internal computing resources to perform this service (Local Processing, Processes A-F), and can even subcontract some or all of the required computing resources to a layer below (Layer N+1).  In this case, it requests to Layer N+1 a service to be performed. Upon receiving the result back from the subcontracting (N+1) layer, and combining it with its own processing, it will finally deliver the final result to the originally requesting Layer (N-1).

Please trust me.

If you (Layer N) trust your provider (your Layer N+1), who trusts its provider (your Layer N+2), do you trust your Layer N+2 also?

Not necessarily...

Trust is transitive in nature, but the more degrees of separation, the more trust relationships fade away.

And although there is implicit trust between you and your Layer N+2, explicit trust would be better. Why exactly does your provider (your Layer N+ 1) trust its provider (your Layer N+2)? And are these reasons shareable?  If your Layer N+2 gives your Layer N+1 permission to share these reasons with you, and if for you these reasons are sufficient, then you just went from implicit trust to explicit trust.

You can now decide to trust or not trust your Layer N+2, it is an informed decision that you are making.

So, in this environment, what is the information that needs to be exchanged between these different layers to enable effective collaboration while protecting trade secrets from potential competitors?

Verifiable reports based on actual logs.

Sure, it is not easy to define what reports will be required to build confidence and foster trust while protecting intellectual property and trade secrets.  These reports need to describe and demonstrate usage and performance of computing subsystems, yet should not go so deep that it becomes obvious to understand precisely how these computing subtasks are defined.

There is a difference between the actual raw logs that are collected and managed, with the higher-level view of the reports.

Logs will allow for a very precise understanding and visibility into the "how", and higher-level reports will provide the level of transparency required for Trust, SLA, usage and performance measurement.

Next time we'll look at some Critical Success Factors required as basis for Log Management solutions.

About Gorka Sadowski
Gorka is an expert in Governance and Risk Management. He spent the last 20 years helping large enterprises use technology to automate and enable their business processes, and allowing solution providers to better position, sell and market their solutions to the marketplace. He is today involved with technology-related activities for large end-clients and strategic partners for LogLogic in Europe. Gorka was Director of the Security Group for Unisys France, leading a team of security consultants and managing the integration of complex solutions for global CAC40 corporations. He spent 15 years in the USA, where he was Director of Emerging Technologies at NetScreen in the Silicon Valley. Gorka also held the position of Director of the Security Group for CTP, a software development firm specialized in the design and implementation of custom business applications for the largest companies in America.

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